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Nathan Natas
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Is The WTS Building Beth Sarim 2 ?
by metatron ini continue to puzzle over the future direction the watchtower is taking.
it seems very strange.. let's review: they are selling everything off in brooklyn, raking in huge sums from that real estate and building heavily in a fairly isolated part of upstate ny.. why?.
it may be classified as a country club (legally).
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2014 Event
by enigma1863 ini know its a year away but i wanted to inquire about the hundred year anniversary of 1914. it would be amazing to have a world wide event reguarding all exjws.
i am nowhere near capable of putting this together but i'd like to propose the largest assembly of exjws ever on october 1st 2014. can it be done?
am i the first to bring this up?
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Nathan Natas
If that "100 years of Christ's rule" logo was on a t-shirt, I'd be buying a bunch of them!
But really, shouldn't all the festivities be heavily promoted but ultimately invisible?
I didn't realize that CEDARS had a point in Ohio... >cymbal crash<!
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Survey - Do you believe in UFO's and Aliens?
by skeeter1 injust a general survey on what & why you think of ufo's and aliens and where you are in your fade/disassociation path?.
what do you think of ufo's and aliens?.
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Nathan Natas
I believe that there can be flying objects that I cannot identify.
I believe that there can be lifeforms that are alien to me; many of them right here on earth.
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Nathan Natas
Hello, Troll.
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Unwanted Books/Brochures
by rod.henderson inif anyone has any unwanted jw books or brochures let me know.
not really in a position to buy them from you but i could cover postage maybe?
my jw friend says she'll get me copies of things but never does.. apologies if here was the wrong forum place for this post.. .
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Nathan Natas
Losingit, I've got quite a file on M. L. McPhail. Stuff like his FULL name, info on his family, his gravestone, the whole nine yards; some of his music, etc. I've even got some 'scandalous' information about his namesake son, who gained some fame of his own. Interested? YOU may be the next XJW publishing millionaire!
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Do JW still hold to their 1984 Doomsday deadline?
by bytheirworks indid jw's predict the world would end in 1984?.
the september 21, 1984 issue of chrisitanity today on pages 66-67, ran an article entitled: "do jehovah's witnesses still hold to their 1984 doomsday deadline?".
that's as far as my search has gotten me and it isn't on chrisitanity today's web-site.. can anyone find this article for me?.
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Nathan Natas
Tresdecu recalled, " I remember meeting Glass back in the 90s. He gave the memorial talk at our hall. I was a young teenager in 84...and don't remember too much expectation or talk about 84..."
Did you meet the mysterious WALTER Glass, or Ulysses V. Glass?
Perhaps your recollection about 1984 expectations fail you because as a teenager, your thoughts were more gonad-driven at that time.
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Do JW still hold to their 1984 Doomsday deadline?
by bytheirworks indid jw's predict the world would end in 1984?.
the september 21, 1984 issue of chrisitanity today on pages 66-67, ran an article entitled: "do jehovah's witnesses still hold to their 1984 doomsday deadline?".
that's as far as my search has gotten me and it isn't on chrisitanity today's web-site.. can anyone find this article for me?.
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Nathan Natas
I recall a "Brother U. V. Glass" (Ultra Violet? WoW! Cool name, Bro!) who spoke at many assemblies back in the 60s. might he have been related? Gary Botting's JW experience happened primarily in Canada. Check Canada Bethel?
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Unwanted Books/Brochures
by rod.henderson inif anyone has any unwanted jw books or brochures let me know.
not really in a position to buy them from you but i could cover postage maybe?
my jw friend says she'll get me copies of things but never does.. apologies if here was the wrong forum place for this post.. .
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Nathan Natas
Somebody (not me) should write a book about the history of JW hymns. It would be fascinating! In the early days Russell's crew just sang the songs they knew from their previous Protestant backgrounds, but Russell's very first PILGRIM was M. L. McPhail, who was a hymnwriter and singer. McPhail wrote most of the songs used in the early Bible Student's hymnals.
As doctrines changed and evolved, songs by "worldly" hymn-writers fell out of favor and were purged from WT songbooks. This has continued to this day, leaving the WT with songbooks full of lousy music and lousier songs.
Yes, Jah's Magnificent Chariot moves on, but turn down the sound-track, please!
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Should an elder discourage military service even if said elder has a military pension?
by garyneal indiscussion with my wife concerning what i perceive as a hypocrisy that i see amongst elders (and ministerial servants) who happened to serve in the military long enough to draw a pension check.
all this in a former life (read before coming in to the truth) of course.
i think if said elder were to discourage a young one from seeking military service, or worse participate in the disfellowshipping of such a person if he or she choose to serve, smacks of total hypocrisy.
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Nathan Natas
I am not a lawyer, but any elder who "discourages military service" may be in violation of the Espionage Act of 1917, which is still law in the USA. In fact, some of the charges againt communists Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, Pentagon Papers whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg, Cablegate leaker Bradley Manning, and alleged NSA leaker Edward Snowden were that they had acted in violation of this law.
That's why MOST elders will not make such statements openly or publicly in front of an audience that might include FBI agents or informants. Usually an elder will arrange for a private, one-on-one meeting with a JW male who is turning 18 and have a "this never happened" conversation with them discussing the young man's obligation to god.
Get these elders on tape and share the tape with the FBI. It's your duty as a good citizen.
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Do JW still hold to their 1984 Doomsday deadline?
by bytheirworks indid jw's predict the world would end in 1984?.
the september 21, 1984 issue of chrisitanity today on pages 66-67, ran an article entitled: "do jehovah's witnesses still hold to their 1984 doomsday deadline?".
that's as far as my search has gotten me and it isn't on chrisitanity today's web-site.. can anyone find this article for me?.
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Nathan Natas
I want to mention that I have had the pleasure of meeting Gary Botting for diner a few years back. He's a gem of a guy and leaves nothing but good impressions in all aspects. For Gary the matter of 1984 was especially important because the issue was pressed on him when he was still a teen-ager in school by a teacher he respected who one day asked the class, "Who can name the religion that expects the world to end by 1984?" The teacher then answered his own question; "Jehovah's Witnesses!" At that time Gary himself (being just a youngster, after all) did not realize how the WT stressed 1984. The experience motivated Gary to learn more about WT falsehoods. Of course all of this - Gary's youthful experience AND his interview in Christianity Today - took place BEFORE the deadline of October 2, 1984.
Those who say they don't recall this were either not involved in the religion before 1984 or were not paying attention to all the crumbs scattered on Jehovah's great feast-table.
As for the 1986 "Peace and security" hubub, that was simply a knee-jerk reaction to the use of the phrase by newspapers of the time.
1 Thessalonians 5:3 -- " Now when they are saying, “There is peace and security,” then sudden destruction comes on them, like labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will surely not escape. "
Some translations use the word "safety" instead of "security" like the Witnesses' own New World Translation does, so it was simple coincidence that got the JWs all wound-up over 1986. If I might quote Monty Python, "then, suddenly, nothing happened!"